Does the TLM Offer More Grace? – Kevin Symonds | 08/05/2021

Michael and Kevin discuss whether the Traditional Latin Mass objectively offers more grace than the Novus Ordo.

2 thoughts on “Does the TLM Offer More Grace? – Kevin Symonds | 08/05/2021

  1. SD

    The missal doesn’t assume ad orientem, on the contrary, the general instruction explicitly discourages it in no. 299.

    “The altar should be built apart from the wall, in such a way that it is possible to walk around it
    easily and that Mass can be celebrated at it facing the people, which is desirable wherever

    All it does is provide instructions for situations in which you are offering it that way, because the instructions have to exist somewhere.

    Presence of instructions for saying Mass ad orientem does not in the slightest imply that ad orientem is preferred. You’re just playing grammatical games, missing the forest for the trees.

    The fact that Paul VI, who published the new Mass, offered facing the people at his first public NO (and most of his NOs after that too) clearly shows the intentions here.

    Playing grammatical games instead of actually addressing the situation honestly really discredits your other topics of discussion. What’s to say you’re not treating those topics dishonestly too?

  2. SD


    “There are those who believe when we lost those [exorcisms in the new baptism rite], that we lost a means for grace to be communicated in this way.”

    And that’s your fundamental issue: do exorcisms have power? Do you believe that they fundamentally *do* anything?

    If so, then why are you so quick to dismiss the idea that taking them away fundamentally takes away something?

    The viewpoint you’re proposing seems bordering on the heresy of modernism. The logical conclusion here is that things like blessings and exorcisms are only for our own human comfort, but don’t actually do anything spiritually.

    If a minor exorcism has a concrete effect on something, then you, by definition, are losing something by not having it done. Whether or not you realize the consequences of your argument here, you are effectively proposing the view that exorcisms don’t actually do anything beyond being nice words for us to listen to.

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